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Notes from the Pimco Lunch with Rob Arnott

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September 21st, 2011

Today I had the pleasure of attending a luncheon at the Ritz-Carlton in NYC to hear one of the great intellects of the investment management business speak - Rob Arnott, founder of Research Affiliates and manager of Pimco's All Asset Fund.

For those who don't know:

Over his 30-year career, Robert Arnott has endeavored to bridge the worlds of academic theorists and financial markets. His success in doing so has resulted in a reputation as one of the world’s most provocative and respected financial analysts. Rob has pioneered several unconventional portfolio strategies that are now widely applied, including tactical asset allocation, global tactical asset allocation, tax-advantaged equity management, and the Fundamental Index® approach to indexation.
Rob spent some time giving us his views on the current economic picture, the big headwinds we face now and how we should be allocating for what's to come.

I'm jotting these nuggets down here off the dome, normally I take notes before putting out one of these posts but the food was actually decent so my hands were full...

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(Mostly paraphrased except where in quotes)

On the Double Dip Recession: It's already begun, especially when you look at structural GDP (GDP minus deficit spending by the government). It looks like government spending will decline which virtually assures recession.

On Bipolar Markets: "When bonds and stocks disagree, the bond market is usually right."

On Greece and the PIIGS: By some measures of spending money we don't have, we are even bigger pigs here so we shouldn't be calling names. Greece would be wise to "cross the river" sooner than later because the river is getting faster and will only be tougher to cross with every passing day. (editor's note - I think he means default)

On Inflation: It will continue to tick up through the end of the year (in the form of CPI), the rolling three year average inflation rate will start to look scary (5% annual rate) as we start to lose the deflationary 2nd half of 2008 in that rolling three year number. Now imagine 2% Treasury yields and 5% inflation rate and how equities will respond to that.

On the Paradox of Inflation and Recession Co-Existing: So you say that with 10% unemployment and collapsing housing prices that inflation can't truly exist? Go ask the folks in Zimbabwe about their job and housing markets during the country's epic bout with inflation.

On Inflation and Stocks: It turns out that anything above a 4% inflation rate is very harsh for stock market PE ratios, they are very sensitive at that level and compress.

On Inflation Tools: TIPS are very expensive but could go even higher, junk bonds are actually a great inflation hedge - it turns out they outperform TIPS in that regard, REITs could get interesting for inflation hedging but not at today's prices. Commodities are the best bang for your buck in an inflationary environment, they are a 10x reaction, meaning if inflation jumps 2%, commodities as an asset class give you a 20% response.

On US Debt Problem: There are 3 ways to get through our current situation -

a. Austerity (too painful politically and economically, look at Greece - millions of private sector jobs lost, not a single government layoff)

b. Abrogation (as in not paying our debts. Russia and China will be thrilled, lol. There are some debts we have that aren't actually debts - merely obligations - like entitlements and such. These will come down but not enough.)

c. Run the Printing Presses (which is what Bernanke has been doing, it is politically very tempting to print more - make the debt worth less dollars - much easier to do this than austerity so it will continue)

On Demographics: Pimco's been doing a lot of work on demographics, some of their research will be out in a few months. It turns out that there are crazy high correlations between demographics and stocks but you have to use longer time frames because demographics are sloooooooow. Five year rolling average stock market and bond market returns more meaningful than annual numbers in this context. The gist is that people add the most to their nation's GDP growth in their 20's and 30's...they make the biggest impact on that nation's stock market returns at around 40 just as their contribution to GDP growth is starting to level off. This is important when looking at market opportunities around the world and at home.

On Emerging Markets: Demographically speaking emerging markets are getting into the median age sweet spot for GDP growth and then stock market performance - example was in India the median age is not yet 30 years old. China will hit that Great Wall of Demography everyone is worried about (because of the one child rule) but not for 15 to 30 years.

On What to Avoid: Growth stocks and long-dated Treasurys are an avoid. Multiples on growth stocks will not react favorably to a recession and inflation and long bonds are getting dangerous here. The one caveat is that "if Greece or Japan cross the Rubicon" in the next three months, Treasurys will certainly shoot up to even greater heights.

On Apple: Apple investors have given the company the highest market cap in the world - a de facto statement that "Apple is in a position to return more in profits to shareholders than any other company". In reality, Apple just isn't that big, it's not even in the top 40 companies by profits. Investors are betting, at these prices and multiples, that Apple is infallible. Favorite equity pairs trade (half joking I think) might be Long Bank of America, Short Apple - in one case expectations and sentiment pricing in the absolute worst case scenario, the opposite in the other.

On What to Do in Case of Recession: He is staying extremely liquid and underweight equities (only 8 to 12% of portfolios as per public filings), when the market adjusts to the high, scary inflation data and acknowledges the new recession, he expects asset prices to get "appreciably cheaper", but instead of buying the dip in US equities, he is more inclined to take advantage of the Emerging Markets stocks which will likely fall in tandem with developed markets.

On Gold and Swiss Franc as Safe Haven: He wouldn't buy either one looking for big gains and "you'd better hope you don't have big gains in those because you can just imagine what the rest of your portfolio would look like if you did..."

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I'm not currently invested in the funds Rob manages but it was great to hear his thought process and outlook. if you guys like posts like these I'll put them up more often so let me know below.



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Markets InsightFebruary 20, 2012 11:56 am 
Bull run to be powered by low valuations
By Tim Bond

Equity investors have had a tough time over the past 12 years. According to the estimable Barclays Equity Gilt Study, the annualised real equity return since the end of the last century is minus 0.9 per cent in the US and minus 1 per cent in the UK. Such returns are pathetic, worse even than cash. 

Bond returns, meanwhile, have been outstanding. US Treasuries have delivered a real annualised 6.6 per cent gain over the same period. 

Unsurprisingly, this extended phase of weak equity returns has seen the asset class fall out of favour. In the 1990s, UK pension funds held 70 per cent of their assets in equities. Today, they hold just 22 per cent. The key question today is whether equities will continue to underperform in the future. 

To answer this question, we need to be quite clear why recent returns have been so poor. The weakness has not been attributable to the trend in corporate profits, but is entirely about the price that investors are prepared to pay for these earnings. S&P 500 earnings per share have increased 75 per cent since 2000, while the S&P 500 price index is unchanged over the same period. Equity markets have delivered feeble returns this century because price to earnings ratios have fallen from the mid-twenties or higher in 2000, to an 8-12 range at present. 

Equities started the century at valuations that are associated with low or negative subsequent long run returns. They are now at valuations usually associated with respectably positive long term returns, at least in the continued absence of any of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. This point, however, is not a sufficient basis for piling back into equities. The UK stock market might very well sell today at a multiple of 9.5, but in 1974 it sold at multiple of 3. 

To make a stronger case in favour of equities, we have to be convinced that the odds favour an end to the 12 year decline in valuations. There are grounds for believing this to be the case. Contrary to received wisdom, PE ratios are not driven by long term interest rates or inflation. Aside from the lack of any coherent theoretical justification for these supposed relationships, the trends of the past decade or so offer an empirical refutation. 

A more coherent and robust explanation is to view PE ratios as a product of two main factors. 

Firstly, PE ratios represent the price at which intergenerational transfers of corporate ownership take place. In this sense, PE ratios reflect demographic balances between equity buyers and sellers within the overall population. 

Secondly, PE ratios represent a risk premium paid to compensate investors for the uncertainty of the future corporate earnings stream. Part of this uncertainty will reflect microeconomic risks relevant to the company or industry concerned, but a larger part – particularly for the overall market – will reflect macroeconomic risks. 

These two factors worked to increase PE ratios in the 1980-2000 period, as economic volatility declined and as the dominant boomer generation aged into their peak equity accumulation years. Subsequently, the boomer generation began to move into retirement and economic volatility rose sharply, both factors working to depress PE ratios. 

As best as we can tell, from 2013 onwards, the demographic pressures should ease. The boomers will still move into retirement, but at a much slower pace than recently. 

Meanwhile, the shrinkage in the equity buying population will also slow, as the boomers’ children age into their peak equity-buying years. Macroeconomic volatility should also decline. The increased variability of growth and inflation over the past few years has been a product of the interaction between a legacy of high debt and the inflationary tightening of raw material markets due to the emergence of China. Last year’s disappointing economic and equity market performance is a precise example of these effects. 

However, debt burdens are now starting to stabilise, with the worst excesses being written off. Meanwhile, China has begun to move towards a less commodity intensive growth model. It is more or less inevitable that the final recovery from the financial crisis will see higher wage inflation erode the real value of the remaining excess debt, allowing a faster deleveraging for households and greater fiscal leverage for governments. 

But contrary to the bear argument about peak profits margins, this process will be bullish for equities. Because wage inflation will de-lever and de-risk the system faster, it should lead to a decline in perceived economic risks and a rise in equity valuations. Wage inflation will, of course, devastate bond returns, but it is likely to be a neutral factor for equities. The valuation gap between equities and bonds, which has rarely been as wide as it is right now, offers us a forecast of prospective returns that we would be wise not to ignore. 

Tim Bond is investment strategist at Odey Asset Management
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